4th St. update

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4th Street existing conditions

While 4th St. outreach and planning continues (Bikeways staff met with 4 neighborhood councils and an HOA), Councilmember Tom La Bonge announced at a recent Greater Wilshire Neighborhood Council meeting that he is opposed to the installation of bicycle/pedestrian signals at Highland and Rossmore, and has requested that we focus our ongoing conceptual design plans on Hoover St. to Wilton Pl., instead.

The proposed bike/ped signals were to address the two toughest intersections for bicyclists to cross on 4th St. between Cochran Ave. and Hoover St.; the intersections would have been designed to prohibit cut through traffic. La Bonge has asked our group to look at 6th St. as an alternative, but this corridor is not an option as it’s not in the Council adopted Bike Plan.

4th St. is currently designated as a Class III bicycle route, and now has shared lane markings as well as bicycle friendly loop detectors at signalized intersections. In the fall, we’ll start outreach on a grant we received to do bicycle wayfinding signage–and 4th St. will definitely be included.

Moving forward, which intersections do you think need special attention on 4th Street? Which destinations should be highlighted along 4th St. (for our fall wayfinding project)? And, where should we look next to implement Bicycle Friendly Street measures?

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  1. Aaron
    Aaron says:

    The Catalina intersection clearly needs some sort of major treatment (traffic deverters, please!)

    I don’t know who bungled what on Highland and Rossmore, but it’s incredibly disappointing. These streets are in serious need of a safe way to cross–all the times I’ve tried have involved extremely long waits followed by a fairly frantic dash through relatively small gaps in traffic.

  2. El Barto
    El Barto says:

    Rossmore and Highland NEED to have some sort of signals. Maybe not with the LADOT is proposing, but don’t give up so easily. La Bonge is such a sell out. He helped champion 4th street, he hosted rides on 4th street, and now because of a few homeowners who dont understand that signals will benefit them, he’s cowering in the corner. great work.

  3. cerwing
    cerwing says:

    What, if anything, can be done to help in the effort to provide for improved/ safer bicycle/pedestrian crossings at 4th and Highland/Rossmore?? Has LADOT proposed the idea of illuminated crosswalks as an auxiliary plan to the traffic lights?? Heck what about a crossing gaurd?

    I don’t see how HOA’s could be against that idea too…

  4. bikerdude
    bikerdude says:

    Education can be a powerful tool for changing behavior and improving communication skills. Bicyclists and motorists alike can benefit from educational tools and messages that teach them the rules, rights, and responsibilities of various modes of travel. Mr. La Bonge please reach out to this community and educate them on building partnerships to improve conditions for bicyclists and motorists in their community. Don’t give up! Selling out one mode for the other is wrong.

  5. Justin
    Justin says:

    This is ridiculous. Highland and Rossmore need to be part of the plan and this should be done right. Just because one city councilman doesn’t want to invest the time and effort into the hard diplomacy of working with the Hancock Park community, we the citizens need to defend OUR streets and OUR safety. I suppose everyone can begin by writing to LaBonge’s office, but it would be great if the Department of Transportation vigorously defends the original concept. I can’t imagine that any dispassionate analysis by qualified engineers would agree that eliminating Highland and Rossmore for treatment is a good idea. Has DOT clearly told LaBonge’s office that this is a mistake? Isn’t this the job of DOT staff? DOT should share this information with us so the public knows who is truly responsible. If DOT thinks LaBonge’s recommendation is a good idea, please let us know what evidence supports that position.

    Councilmembers can change their mind when they realize they’ve made a mistake. This needs to be one of those occasions. Is it going to take a couple of more dead or injured cyclists for someone to realize there’s a problem here? LaBonge is simply an elected representative of the citizenry.

    We should not be “moving forward” as the article states, but rather focus on fixing this problem.

  6. bikerdude
    bikerdude says:

    I have seen a lot of positive changes by the local politicians, LADOT, and the mayor that bicyclists are being recognized as legitimate users of the road. But know we need to convince the general public of the value of bicycle facilities.
    How do you educate the general public that bicycle facilities would make the streets of Los Angeles a more welcoming experience for the children, and adults who ride their bikes or walk and driver their cars?
    The problem is that’s what this community and councilman select for their own neighborhood.

    I guess as bicyclists we have to do a better job moving the agenda forward with the general public, too.

    • letsbike
      letsbike says:

      Great! They had 100 petition signatures if we can at least match that before October 12th and present it to the Greater Wilshire Neighborhood Council meeting I think we have a chance.

  7. Dennis Hindman
    Dennis Hindman says:

    You already mentioned the two streets that are the most difficult for bicyclists and so they should be on top of the list for special intersection treatments. If the neighborhood does not want signals, then how about roundabouts. This would enable pedestrians, bicyclists and motorized traffic to flow much more smoothly through these intersections. It would not encourage drivers to speed through the neighborhood. An innovative treatment like a roundabout would also draw attention to how we can improve conditions for all users.

    As Hillie stated, do not look at it and say we could but…

  8. Susanna Schick (@pinkyracr)
    Susanna Schick (@pinkyracr) says:

    would these signals be like the pedestrian signals we have mid-block in downtown LA? That would prevent cars from using 4th as an alternative route, and enable us to cross when needed. Having a flashing red also makes it less frustrating for the cagers.

  9. bikerdude
    bikerdude says:

    I signed the petition but at this point seems like 4th street is dead in the water. If the councilman and the community don’t want… it’s good bye….. Unless the mayor steps in says “do it” maybe alittle more like NY style.
    All it takes is one anti-bike person in the community with influence and we are back being second class citizens. At this point that community will kill anything with bike attached to it…just because they can. I’m glad I live in the Valley.

    What good is the bike plan if the local community can dictate and nullify bike facilities?


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